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Dj Superior
Aug 22nd, 2007, 10:59
Mostly like the topic sais.. I live in norway tho :wow:

I dont know how much is regular for cd decks.. So ill take all tips :)
Thanks

dfx
Aug 22nd, 2007, 14:46
for pioneer: cdj 100 is about 300 €
cdj 800 around 600-700 €
other brands offer (almost) the same functionality for less money, but the question of usability, handling and quality remains... pioneer is club standard.
ebay has good deals sometimes, as always with ebay, care is necessary...

Dj Superior
Aug 22nd, 2007, 16:16
Thanks.. So a cdj 100 is good enough to start with?

dfx
Aug 22nd, 2007, 16:24
yes absolutely. of course it's only a very basic cdj, supports no mp3 or cd-r media, the precision is only in +- 0.1% steps and it has other minor limitations (well, limitations is the wrong word... it just doesn't have all the features of the "big" cdjs), but other than that, it's a rock solid device, and once you got the feel for it, you can spin with any cdj there is (and you will never want to go back to any software based mixing system :)). and if you later decide to upgrade, you can still sell them for a very good price, as they dont lose value very quickly. but of course, if you get a good deal for say a cdj 200, you can go for those as well :)

i've been using a pair of cdj 100s for a year and a half now, and i'm still very satisfied with them. i did try cdjs of a few other (cheaper) brands (like denon), but i never liked the handling of those. on the other hand, nothing beats a cdj 800 or 1000 of course... ;) its just a matter of the question of whether you want to spend 1500+ euro just for getting started... and even more if you need a mixer too.

dj beta ice
Aug 22nd, 2007, 19:38
I have two gemini cfx20's......supposeablely they stopped making the cfx30s and the mpx30s, but these work amazingly..... I think I paid like $250usd for each, and the mixer was just a basic two channel mixer......

great for beginning/starting out....I'm looking to upgrade within a year or so when I get better and I start getting some gigs.

Dj Superior
Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:05
Ok, thanks for the comments from both :)

BassT4ken
Aug 23rd, 2007, 16:49
I have some question too about that...

For moment I have a basic Dj Console : Hercules MK2, it's about 220, 230 €
Have the CD decks all the feature there is on Virtual Dj ? I mean, when I set a cue point, I see the time remaining to this cue point and so I can make my transition... I wonder because I haven't really seen cd decks in real life ^^ I mix for 4 months now, I'm still a novice.

And I think it is necessary to have 2 cd decks but if one is 500, 2 are 1000 €... It's expensive :s.

dfx
Aug 23rd, 2007, 17:00
theres a time display that can either show the time remaining till the end of the track (this is the default) or the time elapsed since the beginning of the track. usually you start making the transition when the time counter has reached 1:30 or so.

BassT4ken
Aug 24th, 2007, 15:02
theres a time display that can either show the time remaining till the end of the track (this is the default) or the time elapsed since the beginning of the track. usually you start making the transition when the time counter has reached 1:30 or so.


It's often between 0:55 and 1:00... And for another tune, it can be 1:20... (for me) But with cue on virtual Dj it's easy, you can see exactly when you'll arrive at your cue point to make the transition. Maybe without any software and with CD decks, you must make your transition only with listening so. A bit more complicated.

But of course you can take your software with cd decks and mixer I believe.

xruntime
Aug 29th, 2007, 17:15
To be honest, I'd say it isn't worth to settle for 100s unless you are certain you will be keeping them and using them for several years. Nor is it necessary to get 1000s, either.

Van Deka
Aug 30th, 2007, 07:37
If you shop on American websites, you will pay a lot less but the shipping will cost a small amount more, i know for a fact that certain stores will ship to Europe and but a for a little bit more, my friend still lives in the ukraine and he told me he bought a djm mixer from an American site.

dfx
Aug 30th, 2007, 12:48
It's often between 0:55 and 1:00... And for another tune, it can be 1:20... (for me) But with cue on virtual Dj it's easy, you can see exactly when you'll arrive at your cue point to make the transition. Maybe without any software and with CD decks, you must make your transition only with listening so. A bit more complicated.

with the larger cdjs, it's possible to store many cue points per track and even permanently (on an mmc card for example), but i can't say for sure if it's possible to set the time display to "time remaining till cue point x". but anyhow, you shouldn't rely on such things anyway. suppose you go to play in a club and they only have some diff kind of cdjs, you wouldn't be able to play properly then. so, it's in your own interest to get used to mixing by listening only. don't ever start to rely on any features of any specific cdjs too heavily.

BassT4ken
Aug 30th, 2007, 15:06
I think so, you must memorize when you want to make the transition (per exemple, at 6:10 for the current tune and 0:50 for the next tune) so you can say, I start the next tune when the current tune is at 5:20...

Of course, you get your transition cue point after pre listening

Maybe it's a way...

GreyDog
Sep 1st, 2007, 19:27
I've had a pair of CDJ-100s' for almost a year, with a VMX1000 mixer, and they do great job for all your basic needs, they DO play CD-r's and most of my RW's. But no MP3

I'd love a pair of CDJ's that play MP3 and show tag info, but not important.

Virtual DJ is like autopilot compared to a pair of Decks, Mastering VDJ takes a few hours, but mastering a pair of CDJ's may take you a little longer.

I think the units I have are at least 7 years old, and still work perfectly, but there are several battle bundles, integrated mixer and 2 cd players, for less than $400cdn for the whole thing.

But you'll be very happy with CDJ100s or even CDJ200 to start, if you are on a budget.

lethalleigh
Oct 24th, 2007, 09:01
with the larger cdjs, it's possible to store many cue points per track and even permanently (on an mmc card for example), but i can't say for sure if it's possible to set the time display to "time remaining till cue point x". but anyhow, you shouldn't rely on such things anyway. suppose you go to play in a club and they only have some diff kind of cdjs, you wouldn't be able to play properly then. so, it's in your own interest to get used to mixing by listening only. don't ever start to rely on any features of any specific cdjs too heavily.

I must agree with you here dfx, get used to listening to tracks and after a while you know when changes are gonna happen in a track and how long it is to the end roughly! pre-listening to determine when and how you bring in next track, and setup EQ is important but effort on such time features is not recommended eg. you cant do it with vinyl anyway, its guesswork and becoming familiar with records and the track, and like dfx said "LISTENING" IS THE KEY.

As for the larger CDJ's, i can speak for the 800's and 1000's, its not possible to as dfx said "set the time display to "time remaining till cue point x", its only time remaining for track (default) or time lapsed for track! but if you really wanna use this technique, as much as i suggest against, use the time lapse feature and set your cue, then it will tell you how far in the track you are, then when set change it to time remaining, and you can then start it from the previous amount you got from time lapsed to get to your cue point! but ill say again not something i recommend either, its one of those bad habits that software can give you as i have used software when i started out also, now i use both but have learnt from the bad habits associated with it! :hmmm:

djabstraction
Oct 24th, 2007, 21:37
Hey I don't think you should rule out Denon! I got my first set of decks back in April and haven't regretted getting Denon in the slightest. I got some DNS 1000's which have got to be the smallest decks every for the amount of features they have,

http://www.djabstraction.com/images/photos/setup2.jpg

:lol: Complete with custom "slip mat" design. Although you need like the most awkward sized allen key known to man kind. At least you can personalise easily.

Pros,

1. Very small
2. In-built effects
3. Large jog wheel
4. Very reliable (when using CDA, MP3 can be a bit flakey, CBR and VBR, both of which I wouldn't advise using)
5. Large LCD display
6. Bang for your buck
7. Changeable slip mat

:)

Cons,

1. Only 0.1% pitch accuracy
2. Pitch slider can sometimes jump 0.2% rather than 0.1%, or change by another 0.1% very shortly after setting, so you need to double check.
3. Effects can be a little awkward to use as you have to set them up before cueing the track.

:P

Of course I don't know about all of the top end Pioneers, but in my opinion these are far superior than the low end Pioneers which seem really cheaply built (no offence meant). One reason I went for these is their size as they fit nicely out of the way and don't even take up my whole desk when I get them out for a mix.

The pitch accuracy is a bit of a bastard as it means you will more than likely have to ride the pitch ever so slightly in order to keep a track in time, but I don't think that's a bad thing, it can only improve your skills.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw my penny in as I love my little Denons and will get some 3500's to replace these one day too. :lovers:

BassT4ken
Oct 26th, 2007, 21:57
I must agree with you here dfx, get used to listening to tracks and after a while you know when changes are gonna happen in a track and how long it is to the end roughly! pre-listening to determine when and how you bring in next track, and setup EQ is important but effort on such time features is not recommended eg. you cant do it with vinyl anyway, its guesswork and becoming familiar with records and the track, and like dfx said "LISTENING" IS THE KEY.

As for the larger CDJ's, i can speak for the 800's and 1000's, its not possible to as dfx said "set the time display to "time remaining till cue point x", its only time remaining for track (default) or time lapsed for track! but if you really wanna use this technique, as much as i suggest against, use the time lapse feature and set your cue, then it will tell you how far in the track you are, then when set change it to time remaining, and you can then start it from the previous amount you got from time lapsed to get to your cue point! but ill say again not something i recommend either, its one of those bad habits that software can give you as i have used software when i started out also, now i use both but have learnt from the bad habits associated with it! :hmmm:


Thank you, it's exactly what I wanted to know.... So, if You don't use time-remaining with cue, the pre listening is very very important. If you want to make a transition at a specific moment, you must pre listen and remember exactly when you want to make the transition. I guess... it's maybe a bad habit due to software yes... So last question ^^, how do you do with cd decks to make a transition at a specific point for the tune X and another specific point for the tune Y ? (Make a transition when the specific points for both tunes arrive at the same time)... Hope you understand what I want to say ^^

dfx
Oct 27th, 2007, 11:38
well i suppose it could work like this...

for the track currently playing, you know your point X is at lets say 00:40 (time remaining) of the track. now you're cueing in the new track, and you set your cue point at 00:05 (time played). then you start prelistening and find your point Y of the new track at 00:55 (time played). this gives you playing time of 50 seconds in the new track before point Y, which means you have to start the new track when the time remaining display for the currently playing track reaches 01:30.

this isn't 100% precise, as the time display isn't influenced by the pitch slider, which means the seconds will run faster if the track is pitched up more.

i must admit i never do such calculations, i rather go by feeling. when i prelisten the new track, i hear roughly how long it takes from the cue point to the point where a certain part of the track (like melody) kicks in. this gives me an estimate whether i need to keep the transition short or longer. also when the currently playing track comes closer to the end, i'm listening to how much the track has broken down yet, and this gives me an estimate to when i can start with the transition. of course it helps when you know the track somewhat better, but it can also work for unknown tracks. but at all times, this isn't a precise science, i still get the timing wrong many times, and this is what takes learning and experience :)

dfx
Oct 27th, 2007, 11:47
Hey I don't think you should rule out Denon!

ok i take that back :) i've only tried a denon cdj for like a few seconds and i found the jog wheel with the slipmat kinda strange, esp. in handling. but i guess that's just a matter of getting used to.

that being said, my new "hate brand" in matters of cdjs is numark :) i had to play on a pair of those once, and it was just horrible.

anyway, i'm trying to get a pair of pioneer 800s now :)

djabstraction
Oct 29th, 2007, 11:22
ok i take that back :) i've only tried a denon cdj for like a few seconds and i found the jog wheel with the slipmat kinda strange, esp. in handling. but i guess that's just a matter of getting used to.

that being said, my new "hate brand" in matters of cdjs is numark :) i had to play on a pair of those once, and it was just horrible.

anyway, i'm trying to get a pair of pioneer 800s now :)

I must admin, the Numark Axis decks never really appealed to me, although when I went asking around Brighton, I got the usual salesman bullshit as the shop I asked in happened to sell them. Stupid thing was they wanted to charge about 400 more than online resellers due to their "after sales support"... twats.

You are right about the jog wheel on the S1000s being a bit strange, I don't really use it much, just for cueing the track, and the pitch bend buttons the rest of the time. Although I would look allot cooler if I was to get to grips with the jog wheel :lol:

Good luck on getting some 800s! They look amazing, I always have liked the jog wheels on those things, they look really substantial. :wow:

dfx
Oct 29th, 2007, 12:05
IYou are right about the jog wheel on the S1000s being a bit strange, I don't really use it much, just for cueing the track, and the pitch bend buttons the rest of the time. Although I would look allot cooler if I was to get to grips with the jog wheel :lol:
how can you spin at all without using the jog wheel :) i have my hands on it all the time, it's like the most important tool for me :) esp. on a cdj with a precision of only 0.1% (like mine also).


Good luck on getting some 800s! They look amazing, I always have liked the jog wheels on those things, they look really substantial. :wow:
yeah, the sensitivity and the precision of those things is really amazing, you can hear and feel every millimeter of movement of the wheel, be it fast or slow. same goes for the pitch slider, there's no jumping around between two settings are skipping over single steps when moving it (like it happens on the cdj-100 and even worse on the cdj-200 as well), it's precise to the touch. once you used it you never want to go back :) it's really a great step towards coming close to vinyl feeling. the only thing about them that makes me sad is that you cannot set them to a +- 6% pitch range like with their bigger brother cdj-1000 - as they'd have a precision of 0.02% then, which would be _really_ nice.

djabstraction
Oct 29th, 2007, 13:25
how can you spin at all without using the jog wheel :) i have my hands on it all the time, it's like the most important tool for me :) esp. on a cdj with a precision of only 0.1% (like mine also).

haha, well, I guess I haven't learnt any other way to be honest, I just press the + or - pitch bend button every so often, it's quite easy to work out how often you need to press it.


yeah, the sensitivity and the precision of those things is really amazing, you can hear and feel every millimeter of movement of the wheel, be it fast or slow. same goes for the pitch slider, there's no jumping around between two settings are skipping over single steps when moving it (like it happens on the cdj-100 and even worse on the cdj-200 as well), it's precise to the touch. once you used it you never want to go back :) it's really a great step towards coming close to vinyl feeling. the only thing about them that makes me sad is that you cannot set them to a +- 6% pitch range like with their bigger brother cdj-1000 - as they'd have a precision of 0.02% then, which would be _really_ nice.

So what's the precision of the 800's? 0.1%? I thought it was more accurate than that, though I guess as you say, it's the superior quality hardware that makes the extra cost rather than pitch precision.

I've never used vinyl personally, I'm a noob! And I prefer small cds over massive heavy boxes of vinyl any day... :lol:

dfx
Oct 29th, 2007, 13:42
the 800s have a pitch slider precision of 0.05% (at least when set to the +- 10% pitch range), which is really sufficient for most uses. (even the cdj-200s already have 0.05% precision, but their slider hardware basically sucks - you move it a bit and it jumps up/down by 0.15% or even 0.2%, it's really hard trying to set it to a certain specific value.)

i've never used vinyl myself, but sometimes i do wish i'd be using an analog medium, esp at those times when i find that the 0.1% pitch precision just isn't enough (and rarely even 0.05% turns out to be too coarse). it's kinda frustrating when you _know_ the track is playing just a tiny bit too fast, but you cannot set your player to this speed, and instead have to keep turning the wheel every few seconds by an inch or two.

HADES
Nov 5th, 2007, 03:16
Well if you're looking to buy some good used equipment you can always look on craigslist.com just google the site and then you can check out some gear, hope that helps ya out mate.

GreyDog
Nov 11th, 2007, 04:57
I have:
2 x CDJ-100s,
1 x VMX1000,
all nicely packed in a:
1 x custom travel case.

But I think the CDJ's are getting tired, and the sync no longer works, one took a fall:cry:

I'd look for a CDm1000 and 2 CDJ800 mK2'S, yum...:super:

dfx
Nov 20th, 2007, 15:17
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9747/img9743pg6.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9747/img9743pg6.jpg)

:lovers:

djabstraction
Nov 21st, 2007, 16:51
:wow: sexy! I love the blue neon lights in the centre of the jog wheels!

Wanna swap them for my Denons? :lol:

dfx
Nov 21st, 2007, 16:55
sure no problem, you just gotta pay me the price difference :)

djabstraction
Nov 28th, 2007, 10:22
boooo :( :lol: :lol:

voodooman
Dec 4th, 2007, 13:20
I'm pretty happy with my cdx-05's. Although I've never tried anything else, don't know any dj's down here.

GreyDog
Dec 25th, 2007, 01:56
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9747/img9743pg6.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9747/img9743pg6.jpg)

:lovers:

DFX, you need new stuff, I'll take your old stuff, YUM.
:mask::)

Aku & Ghazaly
Nov 22nd, 2009, 15:39
Hey guys we need some help. We work on a DJ software now and we have pretty much mastered it. But now, snice we might get a chance for a show on a radio, we wanted to buy a mixer and 2 CDJs. the mixer we had our eyes on is the pioneer DJM-400 and its for $800. We wanted to buy a good new one but a also basic at the same time since we are just starting. Any ideas what CDJs we should get? And what do u mean 9at the first page) the CDJ doesnt play mp3??

bdoujkd
Nov 27th, 2009, 01:41
DJ software now and we have pretty much mastered it. But now, snice we might get a chance for a show on a radio, we wanted to buy a mixer and 2 CDJs.
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